Public opinion on Libya's political unrest is heavily critical, reflecting frustration and nostalgia for Gaddafi's era, despite his autocratic rule. There's a strong critique of Western intervention and the ineffective current government, which many feel is impeding Libya's development. The sentiment is split, with some blaming external interference and others pointing to internal leadership failures.

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Don’t get your political information about Libya from the people here get it from actual Libyans, also don’t get your political information from actual Libyans they are bias get it from a reliable news source, also don’t get it from reliable news source they don’t know anything about the perspective of Libyans. In conclusion don’t get into it

KemoM1nd

SleepySniffer

Basically:

Gaddafi was bad, better than current situation but still VERY VERY Bad.


As for current situation,  the money is located in Tripoli, and the government in Tripoli sucks more so than anyone else and is practically holding the country's development hostage, doesn't help that they're recognized by the UN.


LNA is what the west calls "militias" ironic cuz it's mostly made up of ex-army members and is more so disciplined than whatever they have in the western part of the country.

LNA did alot more than the GNA and the GNU cuz the LNA fought ISIS and liberated a big portion of the country, and helped the eastern part of the country develop despite the difficult financial situation.

Captain_Skipper9

As bad as Gadhafi was it had stability, now is just factions fighting for wealth. 
Divide and conquer, America did this.

BranchClean5281

Its complected Libya never was a real country it was always under some kind of occupation first it was the greeks then the romans came then Muslims then turks then the Italians then Libya earned its "independence" in the year 1951 and we never really handled our own shit in this period but still i rate this period the best in Libyas humble history and then the good ol Gaddafi came and started ثورة الفاتح and he's supposed to be the "savior" that saved libya and kicked out the Americans and the brits and for like the first 10 years shit was good and libya started gaining it's national identity and economy started to grow and he did النهر الصناعي العظيم and libyans started to love him specially الدواخل because king idreess only cared about the larger cities and other places got forgotten by his gov anyways after a while gaddafi went to America i think idk i forgot.. to study and he came back with this socialism Marxism shit and basically started forcing socialism on the whole country which made people hate him a lot and whenever any riots or protests happen he literally executed them in front of everyone to watch and aired them on tv حتى في نهار العيد and from that this bullshit continues and his obsession about the west and how they're trying to demolish us and how we have to fight back against them.... Made him ignore whats the most important thing his own COUNTRY that he ignored all this time and then 2011 came and the revelation started idk how or who started it but I'm pretty sure its not Libyans and it wasn't the best time to do so the best time was when he came with socialism bs and yeah Gaddafi got killed and we're in a mess from that time because from the start we didn't have a real country with real institutions and yea that's it ask me if u didn't understand something bye / salam

Busy-War-9919

If you are in England - a fairly advanced country with freedom of information and internet for nearly 10 years and you don’t have the answer to things like “who is Hafter” which you can easily google and research, then I would stick out of the topic because you do not have the cognitive ability to understand.

Just one point about those who praise Gadaffi online, these are all anti-imperial/anti-west posts by Africans/Russians etc and the odd Libyan Gadaffi supporter I guess (many of them benefited from Gadaffi regime - usually the bourgeois class which still hold their seats of power today). 


I’m no fan of the western intervention to get rid of Gadaffi, but I don’t sing his praises like he was some kind of hero.

The main valid issue against Gadaffi  is the socioeconomic situation that he left Libyans.. poor schools, hospitals and job prospects, despite all the oil wealth he controlled for 40 years.. hence why you will found thousands of Libyans abroad, but not many Saudis/uae or other oil rich countries, unless it’s for their holiday.

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through my eyes it was a bit like this. 

Gaddafi turned a succesful goverment slowly in a regime,  being more and more secluded in his extreme wealthy palace and lifestyle, paranoya and drugs turned him bad.

he was smart though.  the people didn't get freedom of speech or internet acces untill his end in 2011.

anybody who was either gay or against his choices or not muslim  was taken intu the dessert and never to be seen again.

the strict half muslim police was feared.

the media was his.  people were succesfully taught how western christians  and jews were the horrible enemy, and only he was defending them.

weird example I saw: 
the newspaper had weekly comics about Hitler killing jews

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“Move” doesn’t feel like the right word here.

RubArtistic4683

Zero conservative engagement on this thread in ModPol; they're too busy discussing Biden tapes from last year. Conservatism is a joke.

WickhamAkimbo

This is the same country that the US is talking about deporting people when El Salvador fills up.  Libya is also a country that the state department says no American should travel to, do to an on-going civil war!

What has happened to our morality?

NAU80

Monkeefeetz

Sounds like you are about to radicalize 1 million people fleeing a war zone because you want to steal their land and build yourself a real estate development?

RobbyRock75

The toddler-in-chief has spoken.

Now let's all keep pretending that this is normal - and not totally insane.

Truthisnotallowed

who’s looking forward to more terrorist attacks on the US??

you get a terrorist attack

you get a terrorist attack

you get a terrorist attack

Mundane_Molasses6850

Unlucky-Meaning-4956

Just so everyone is clear: this is a war crime.

MagicianHeavy001

If there were trains and boxcars I am sure they would use them...   Where have we seen this before.

Hey to my fellow Jewish friends...  How quickly you forget the Pale of Settlement.

TintedApostle

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity

&gt; Together with war crimes, genocide, and the crime of aggression, crimes against humanity are one of the core crimes of international criminal law[3] and, like other crimes against international law, have no temporal or jurisdictional limitations on prosecution (where universal jurisdiction is recognized).[2]

&gt; According to the Rome Statute, there are eleven types of crimes that can be charged as a crime against humanity when "committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population": "murder; extermination; enslavement; deportation or forcible transfer of population; imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law; torture; rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, forced abortion, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity; persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity...; enforced disappearance...; the crime of apartheid; other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health."[4]

Of course the Hague Invasion Act provides that the United States is supposed to go to war if any country attempts to charge American officials for crimes against humanity...

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Libyan ministers resign as protesters call for government to step down (May 17, 2025)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/17/libyan-ministers-resign-as-protesters-call-for-government-to-step-down

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panmetronariston

Kamala Harris had a funny laugh.

Kalama Harris wasn't going to stop the genocide.

Kamala Harris would've been much worse of Palestinians.

LocalStatistician538

"Under the Statute of the International Criminal Court, "the deportation or transfer \[by the Occupying Power\] of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory" constitutes a **war** **crime** in international armed conflicts."

That's probably why Trump is offering to do it, because Israel, not the U.S., is at war in Gaza.  But it's a technicality, at best.  Trump needs to know--if he doesn't already--that his plan for the Palestinian people is a war crime.  Of course, he will never be tried (for anything), but does he really want that as part of his "legacy"?

FIlm2024

Move? Isn’t it easier for the orange baboon and Netanhitler to just kill them all? They are on the that track already

Civil_Pain_453

ICC arrest warrant for Trump and Rubio incoming.

rintzscar

Under Trumps plans.   Media san washing this.

Isn't this literally just ethnic cleansing

UhJoker

From one war-torn place to another. 

This is ethnic cleansing/Genocide, which is a war crime. Trump is doing this because he wants a Gaza Riviera. He envisions his own Qatar like image. He doesn't care about what happens to the Palestinian people.

SAJ-13

ToNoMoCo

TheBoosThree

I'm surprised Trump is not suggesting sending them to CECOT in El Salvador.

JFJinCO

Oh yeah, lets move the people whose ancestors lived there for few thousand years cause the Orange One says so.

Fuck that and fuck whoever thinks this is a good idea.

Eat_the_Rich1789

I guess he lied about America first if he's taking away services for us that we pay taxes for to spend it overseas on his vanity genocide projects. 

Designer-Contract852

Relocated is code for exiled and Pale of Settlement level stuff.

But all those offended people in the US called Biden "Genocide Joe" and blamed him for killing babies. 

I just can't with these idiots anymore. Like, I have been vocal in my dislike of Biden. He wasn't my first choice in 2020 but he was the only choice against Trump. I've been very lukewarm about what I consider mid policies from the Biden Administration, but whatever I feel about Biden and how ineffective he was, he still would have been better for the Palestinian people than Trump. 

The fucking lie of Genocide Joe is so ludicrous I can't even. "He funded a war against Gaza! Israel plant!" Welcome to the US. Every president since Israel's inception has been a staunch ally. Joe was just doing what other presidents did lol

MichaelPFrancesa

Call this what it is. An Israeli led pogrom. They're creating a Pale of Settlement.

mowotlarx

lalalibraaa

Israel will swoop in, as they’ve always intended to, and they will not allow the Palestinians to come back. US will simply furrow eyebrows harder and write strongly-worded letters.

BigDaddyBain

Gotta love all the deflection going on regarding US presidents. Reminder, the near entirety of congress on both sides of the isle have refused to do the bare minimum, which call this what it is. Ethnic cleansing. Genocide. Palestinians were doomed before and still are now. It never mattered who was president, given the two options we had. Both allowed and continue to allow it to happen. People pretending otherwise are dishonest or deluded. This is on us to acknowledge and to hold all our politicians accountable. It takes more than just voting to change opinions and to make action.

keytotheboard

So glad Rashida Tlaib boycotted dems. Such a gifted politician.

nibul83

Trail of tears for Trump’s lebensraum. Reprehensible and vile even for him. This is Santa Monica fascist C- attorney Miller driving foreign policy.

Idk612345

¿Todavía queda alguien que diga que esto no es una limpieza étnica?

HablarYEscuchar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

Hongxiquan

I didn't hear of this in the US budget discussions. Good luck making this happen Trump.

findingmike

boy, all those pro-palestine voters sure taught the dems a lesson last nov!

/s

Plow_King

My 1948 map the entire region is clearly labeled 'Palestine',, guess they all up n left?!

Geonetics

They should be relocated to the US.  Libya sounds dangerous.

dbag3o1

To anyone who voted for Trump, voted Third Party, or didn't vote for anyone at all. Congratulations. You engaged in decision making. Bad, poor, illogical decision making. But decision making nonetheless. You chose to let this happen. You wanted to let this happen.  
  
You also did what the Russians wanted you to do. What the Kremlin wanted you to do. What Putin wanted you to do.  
  
You've just authorized, approved, and endorsed the genocide of both Palestinians and Ukrainians. Congratulations.

ZappyStatue

They'll try to over throw the Libyan gov't. This will result in another war

Own-Yam-69420

If Harris was in office, the situation would not have gotten better. But I've been saying to people throwing the word genocide around, and parroting genocide Joe. The real genocide is going to be with a Trump presidency.

CrunchyCds

But for a brief minute the far left owned the democrats.

all_of_the_colors

This is all due to Genocide Joe and the neo-fascist Democratic Party.

AlexRyang

They need to move. Israel is completely unhinged. History will judge them in due time. Survival is more important than holding on to your land.

macholusitano

You’re still mad the Indian lady lost. Maybe next time you should listen to your voters and then 10 million people would not sit home. Lmao

Worried_Coast_5259

But what about Kamala! /s

Protest voters helped to bring this on.

MrManager17

The people of Hamtramck, MI are rejoicing that their candidate is doing exactly what he said he’d do!

Rare-Peak2697

This is really simple.  Without the NATO intervention, Qaddafi's forces would have retaken Benghazi and this would have the end of the rebellion.  My guess is that Qaddafi would have continued to rule, which would have been much better for the average Libyan considering the total mess there today.

ADRzs

A civil war would not have occurred in Libya in the first place because Muammar Gaddafi would have easily and successfully crushed the protests against him, and he was already winning against the Libyan revolutionaries before the intervention.


Therefore, Libya in 2024 will look very much like Libya before the Arab Spring, but with, of course, additional skyscrapers and some projects that Muammar Gaddafi and his son Saif al-Islam will later give to the Chinese and the Russians, of course.


With the failure of the Arab Spring in Libya, this will demoralize the Arab protesters, as the fall of Gaddafi contributed to motivating them further, so it is likely that Bashar al-Assad will crush the protests against him, with lower morale among the revolutionaries.


(Syria will not collapse into a civil war, and Bashar will sign a peace treaty with Israel in 2012, which will return the Golan to Syria in exchange for political recognition of Israel. This will lead to Syria separating from the Axis of Resistance alliance completely, and Bashar decides to eliminate Hezbollah with Israeli-Lebanese support, while Bashar increases From his dependence on Russia)


(With Syria not collapsing, ISIS does not expand in Syria and it focuses all its power on Baghdad, so Baghdad falls in 2015 and the Iraqi government collapses with the expansion in southern Iraq, thus turning Iraq into the Cambodia of the Middle East until ISIS is eliminated in 2017 with the establishment of a completely new Iraqi government)


Muammar Gaddafi will rule Libya until his death in 2017 at the age of 75 as a result of heart failure. Then his son Saif al-Islam Gaddafi will succeed him as the brother leader and current guide of the revolution in Libya.


Saif al-Islam will implement social and economic reforms, but he will not implement any political reform. He will rule with an iron fist, just like his father.


The Azawad rebellion would not have happened without the collapse of Libya, which led to the Tuareg declaring their own state in 2012.


(Most of the soldiers and leaders of the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad were actually originally Libyan soldiers, so the Malian government will maintain control of Azawad despite the ongoing conflict with the Tuareg, and ISIS will not flourish in West Africa.)


It is likely that Putin will postpone his return to power until 2016, as the fall of Gaddafi caused the end of Medvedev's play and his candidacy in 2012, so Medvedev would have been allowed to remain president of Russia for a longer period, of course. 


It is likely that Saif al-Islam will support anti-French African rulers, especially in Niger recently, as well as Mali, Burkina Faso, Gabon and others. Therefore, it is likely that he will further weaken France’s influence and even stronger Libyan support for the Chadian opposition against President Idriss Deby.


Gaddafi will be hostile to Morsi, then after the 2013 coup, he will become a close ally of President Abdel Fattah Sisi, with Libya investing heavily in Egypt’s economy.


Saif al-Islam will support Abdel Fattah al-Burhan and also the Sudanese army during the Third Sudanese Civil War against the Rapid Support Forces led by Muhammad Hamdan Dagalo, known as Hemedti. 


Thanks to Libyan support, the Sudanese army gains an early stronger position against Hemedti

No mass refugee crisis, ergo nothing for Trump, Brexiters, and other right wingers to run on in 2016.

RaiderRich2001

Gaddafi will survive but it will end up like OTL Syria. Wagner Group will help him too.

EggNearby

I think this vid answers that. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gksckRqNdWI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gksckRqNdWI)  
The YTer doesn't start talking about Libya until 13:04 though

DriveFancy8882

Gaddafi stays in power but Libya is still in a state of perpetual civil war. The US eventually gets involved around 2015ish which also brings in the Russians. Wagner and US forces get into another skirmish where Wagner gets butchered.

**The state of the Venezuelan Civil War on 14 April 2014, after the entry of socialist Brazil on Maduro's side**

**Color code**

- Red: Republic of Venezuela and its allies (Colombia, France)
- Blue: Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Brazil and Bolivia 
- Beige: Neutral countries 
- 🟨: National capitals 
- ⬛: Other major cities

By the time the Democratic Republic of Brazil entered the Venezuelan Civil War in April 2014, the liberal democratic República de Venezuela (RdV) controlled roughly half of the country, with its de facto capital being Ciudad Guayana. The RdV was internationally recognized as the legitimate government of Venezuela by all of NATO and EU, as well as Colombia, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and the Philippines. Brazil, Russia, China, Cuba, Bolivia, Iran and Syria, on the other hand, continued to recognize the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, with some of these countries actively supporting Nicolás Maduro with weapons and, in Brazil's case, soldiers. 

On the morning of 14 April 2014, Aldo Rebelo, President of Brazil, announced Brazil was entering the war on the side of the Bolivarian Republic. Later that day, a column of 31,000 Brazilian soldiers, including 5,000 special forces, marched through the Amazon rainforest towards La Paragua, a RdV-controlled city that also faced heavy bombardment from Brazilian Air Force aircraft. On 19 June, the city fell to the Brazilian Army, but a push towards Ciudad Guayana was repelled by the Free Venezuelan Army. 

Brazilian and Bolivarian forces were widely accused of committing war crimes, such as the massacre of civilians, during the civil war. The Brazilian government denies these allegations.

After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya continued to possess chemical weapons and receive heavy investment from Brazilian companies, some of whom fitted Gaddafi's military with weapons. 

Libya's relations with the Western world remained hostile during this period. America continued to designate Libya a state sponsor of terrorism, and there were occasional skirmishes between Libyan and NATO aircraft over the Gulf of Sidra. After Gaddafi switched from Arab and towards African nationalism, there was little improvement in his relations with the democratic great powers. 

After taking office as President of the United States in 2009, Mitt Romney took a more agressive stance towards Libya, as the Jamahiriya still had active WMD programs, and was reportedly making progress towards developing a nuclear bomb. In March 2010 Gaddafi agreed to weapons inspections, but there were still tons of chemical weapons left before the inspectors were forced out by US bombing. 

The Romney administration sought international support for the invasion, but only the United Kingdom, France, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates joined the coalition. China, Russia, Brazil, Italy, and most African and Middle Eastern countries opposed the invasion; after it started, American embassies in several countries were vandalized. The UN called for further diplomacy, but as America is the world's only superpower, their concerns were overruled. 

As such, air and cruise missile strikes against Libya were launched on 19 March 2011, targeting Gaddafi's military infrastructure. They caused heavy damage to Libyan bases and air defenses, and were followed on 20 March by amphibious landings in Cyrenaica.

Shortly after the invasion, Coalition forces were met by a barrage of mustard gas, VX and Sarin, gruesomely killing thousands of troops. But Gaddafi was overthrown and killed anyhow.

During the 1990s and 2000s, Hugo Chávez stayed in power in Venezuela with Brazilian support and through his massive social programs, with his popularity peaking circa 2006. 

But, by 2011, Chávez's overspending and price controls were seriously damaging the Venezuelan economy, while there were widespread accusations of electoral fraud and corruption against his government; Chávez had won presidential elections in 1993, 1997, 2001, 2005 and 2009. 

On 12 February 2012, mass protests broke out against the Venezuelan government, calling for Chávez's resignation and free and fair elections. They had the support of Mitt Romney's American administration, which actively sought to restore the Monroe Doctrine and militarily intervened in Libya later in 2011. 

The PSUV regime reacted to the manifestations through violent repression, killing 577 protestors and injuring 3,000. These attacks were broadcast throughout the world and recorded across social media, resulting in US sanctions against Venezuela and an European Union arms embargo. Attempts by Brazil and other countries to broker a deal between Chávez and his opponents were unsuccessful. 

On 7 August 2011, the Venezuelan opposition attempted a coup against the government. It was crushed by units of the Bolivarian Armed Forces loyal to Chávez, resulting in full-scale civil war. In 2013, Brazil intervened in the war on the side of now-President Nicolás Maduro, eventually defeating the rebels in September 2021.

Gustavo Henrique, like previous dictators in Brazilian history, implemented a policy of press censorship, with newspapers, radio and TV stations being only allowed to broadcast what the government allowed. 

For instance, the broadcasting of all non-military or political music in radio and TV was banned until 1992, and porn and even some Hollywood movies were banned as "bourgeois degeneracy". This policy continued after Gustavo died in 2002, with anti-government and NSFW websites being regularly blocked by Brasília. 

In spite of Brazil's rise to great power status under the PPN, by the 2010s, the Brazilian status quo faced widespread opposition from Brazilians born after Gustavo became President in 1973, who had no memory of the political instability and hyperinflation that preceded Gustavo. They organized anonymously through websites like Orkut, Myspace and Facebook. 

In 2013, there was a presidential election meant to elect a successor to Ciro Gomes. The two main candidates were Speaker of the National Congress Aldo Rebelo, who represented the left-wing nationalist old guard, and Pernambuco Governor Eduardo Campos, who represented a more technocratic form of authoritarianism. The protestors called for the boycott of the election, as both major contenders were in favor of continued dictatorship. 

Aldo claimed the protestors were a "color revolution" aimed against Brazilian sovereignty and national security, which is also how he described anti-Erdogan protestors in Turkey. This discourse gained Aldo the support of the Brazilian ruling class, and he eventually won the 2013 presidential election, with 445 congressional votes to 67 for Campos.

GustavoistSoldier

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Libya is experiencing significant political unrest as thousands of protesters demand the resignation of Prime Minister Abdul Hamid Dbeibah. The unrest follows violent clashes and ongoing instability.

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